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TOPIC: Why do you think we have Aphantasia?!

Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #641

I "imagine" it would be like sitting before a TV with no way of turning it off or lowering the volume!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #642

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So far only found my dad with it but he is going a bit senile and don't think he really understood what we were asking. no one ele i have foudn yet with it. I did not have trauma my childhood was pretty stable and as far as iknow i have never been able to visulise.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #654

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PeopleCallmeVictor wrote:
I "imagine" it would be like sitting before a TV with no way of turning it off or lowering the volume!

Or maybe it would be like being a GOD!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #657

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phoenixmoon wrote:
I did not have trauma my childhood was pretty stable and as far as iknow i have never been able to visulise.

It is very interesting isn't it.
My dad has aphantasia and has four children. Two from one woman, two from another. Both me and my mother's son have it (my full blood brother) My mother is an amazing visual imager.
Out of my brothers who have a different mother one has done the test and does not have it.

It is possible that my dad has it and my mother doesn't have it but carries the gene and those combined makes another Aphantom.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #756

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I sometimes wonder if Frank Herbert's Bene Gesserit litany against fear was written while staring at the black back of his eyelids and then seeing images just before nodding off to sleep =)

I am still torn on the notion of visualizing, and fear is certainly a big part of it. I had a friend once say though "what Buz? Are you afraid you won't come back, just check out and lose touch with reality" and my response to that was "Yup, that sums it up nicely"
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #1506

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Ok, off-topic stuff first:

Nathan Buzby wrote:
I have a lot of issue with eyes and eye contact
I hope my avatar isn't harassing you too much ; ).

monkeymaiden wrote:
I hold eye contact for a super long time and sometimes have to remind myslef to look away at regular intervals :)
Yeah, same for me. I even got some feedback from people who couldn't bear it well. Apparently some have issues, but how could I know? I can't read and show emotions very well and sometimes people mistake my regular curious stare for I-will-pierce-your-skull-with-a-rotary-hammer-drill one, which does not help much with establishing friendships.

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It is weird, sometimes I would like to hold eye contact, but I take in so much data and it is such an intense experience for me that it feels like I am violating the person I am staring at.
In these terms I am actually violating people but I see nothing wrong with that. I need that data and I desperately want to get it, so I latch on. It seems I am far less sensitive than you are. But I'm also trying to be nice and I think it is going well.

monkeymaiden wrote:
I am adept at reading body langage.
This is the skill I lack. I am trying to use logic to compensate, but it does nothing in most cases and even makes things worse in some, so I just prefer to ask directly.


And now the actual thing:


I think there are two things: congenital aphantasia and trauma-related one.
First one is a normal evolutionary variation: because why not ; ) and therefore it probably is genetically transmitted.
Second one has direct external causes and it might be hard to analyze using evolutionary approach. It's like converting a regular person into nonvisualiser by force: interesting thing is that such people are probably capable of comparing the two states of mind.

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BUT some are born with it
Yes. This is my case.

PeopleCallmeVictor wrote:
In what way could this be usefully, in the eyes of nature and evolution?
I don't think it is. It's rather irrelevant variation that doesn't help much and doesn't do much harm either.

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In the case of Aphantasia, from an evolutionary perspective I would think that individuals capable of moving on, not reliving trauma, being able to keep distance would be critical in times of novel dangers
Do you think everyone could have it triggered if it would really be necessary? I am also not so sure that it is the only viable strategy of coping with trauma: you can probably do something with it using visualisation. Anyway it is interesting subject to research.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #1543

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I am good with the eyeball there eyeball...no sentience behind it haha.

Now onto another subject by you
Do you think everyone could have it triggered if it would really be necessary? I am also not so sure that it is the only viable strategy of coping with trauma: you can probably do something with it using visualisation. Anyway it is interesting subject to research.

In response to that, I focus on the term "novel" since these experiences were not always going to be within the realm of experience, depending on things like location, environmental threats, human conflict, etc. You would not end up with total selection for a trait such as this, much like selectional forces on intelligence, the entire population does not need it, just a few folks who can get others to follow, listen, come together, etc. I agree with you that it is not the only viable strategy, but it could be effective enough to make a difference in novel and unexpected circumstances, thus resulting in it's genetic survival. It could also be a negative trait in a society that values a great deal of closeness and empathy, which I would speculate (emphasis on the speculate) aphantasia can be inhibitory too on at least a small level. An example would be reviewing an event and trying to ascertain what went wrong when one cannot recall that event visually and thus analyze that aspect of the encounter. Honestly, it is all speculative at this point, but that helps generate questions, and then we just need to turn those questions into testable hypothesis.
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