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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #398

I know this is a big question and maybe a difficult one as well.

either it is a protection thing the brain does, as some pointet out! A way to protect us from seeing things we don't need. Something trauma happened.

BUT some are born with it, and some even think it could be passed on to our next generations.

In what way could this be usefully, in the eyes of nature and evolution?

What is your thoughts?
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #399

I put this post - in the wrong topic - opps! HELP :dry:
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #408

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At the moment I think it is genetic, like autism.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #416

Pretty easy question then :silly: ;)
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #418

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haha no :) I just feel there has to be more than chance or environmental to cause this.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #419

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ooooh evolutionary psychology time! Alright, so a lot of traits are selected for back in our ancestral environment. For example, paranoia in the species is preferable because it is evolutionary advantageous to over-estimate a threat than to under-estimate and thus be dead. In the case of Aphantasia, from an evolutionary perspective I would think that individuals capable of moving on, not reliving trauma, being able to keep distance would be critical in times of novel dangers not found in the ancestral environment, for example large scale natural disasters (which happen, but not with a high predictable frequency) and warfare. If everyone was to retain an extensive and strong memory for such things, it could be argued it would be hard to recover after the event without individuals better able to distance themselves from the memories? That is one thought at least, I am thinking of this as I go at this point, you gave me a whole new idea to think about!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #424

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I still think while there may be a genetic predesposition to Aph I think it can be switched on or triggered by trauma.



Who knows.
No one yet, that's who!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #441

I love psychology :D
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #443

monkeymaiden wrote:
I still think while there may be a genetic predesposition to Aph I think it can be switched on or triggered by trauma.



Who knows.
No one yet, that's who!

But if can be switched on, it should by definition be able to switch off again?! :)
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #444

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PeopleCallmeVictor wrote:
monkeymaiden wrote:
I still think while there may be a genetic predesposition to Aph I think it can be switched on or triggered by trauma.



Who knows.
No one yet, that's who!

But if can be switched on, it should by definition be able to switch off again?! :)

I'm kind of secretly hoping that this is the case. (To some extent)
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #453

monkeymaiden wrote:
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monkeymaiden wrote:
I still think while there may be a genetic predesposition to Aph I think it can be switched on or triggered by trauma.



Who knows.
No one yet, that's who!

But if can be switched on, it should by definition be able to switch off again?! :)

I'm kind of secretly hoping that this is the case. (To some extent)

It would be like for a blind person given the ability to see!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #454

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PeopleCallmeVictor wrote:
monkeymaiden wrote:
PeopleCallmeVictor wrote:
monkeymaiden wrote:
I still think while there may be a genetic predesposition to Aph I think it can be switched on or triggered by trauma.



Who knows.
No one yet, that's who!

But if can be switched on, it should by definition be able to switch off again?! :)

I'm kind of secretly hoping that this is the case. (To some extent)

It would be like for a blind person given the ability to see!

I know. I do like the way I experience the world though!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #455

And would it be possible to teach the brain how to do something like that!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #456

monkeymaiden wrote:
PeopleCallmeVictor wrote:
monkeymaiden wrote:
PeopleCallmeVictor wrote:
monkeymaiden wrote:
I still think while there may be a genetic predesposition to Aph I think it can be switched on or triggered by trauma.



Who knows.
No one yet, that's who!

But if can be switched on, it should by definition be able to switch off again?! :)

I'm kind of secretly hoping that this is the case. (To some extent)

It would be like for a blind person given the ability to see!

I know. I do like the way I experience the world though!

Me to! I think it could be disturbing, because we are not used for it! I mean if it worked like a switch!
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #458

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I think I would like it if it was done in a controlled way. :)
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #461

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I am having trouble following this post...the eyes man the eyes! seriously weird, but I have a lot of issue with eyes and eye contact, even with critters...it is actually quite funny that my issues with the eyes are reducing my reading comprehension, how odd is that?
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #580

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Nathan Buzby wrote:
I am having trouble following this post...the eyes man the eyes! seriously weird, but I have a lot of issue with eyes and eye contact, even with critters...it is actually quite funny that my issues with the eyes are reducing my reading comprehension, how odd is that?

Sorry I know the pasting of the eyes was sending me a bit loo-la in the head also!

I hold eye contact for a super long time and sometimes have to remind myslef to look away at regular intervals :)
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #582

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It is weird, sometimes I would like to hold eye contact, but I take in so much data and it is such an intense experience for me that it feels like I am violating the person I am staring at. I do manage it somewhat ok socially, I have developed a habit of making eye contact, holding it briefly, then looking down to the left as if I am pondering, which is normally true. But anything over a few seconds and it just feels invasive, like it is an extreme intimate act.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #584

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Nathan Buzby wrote:
It is weird, sometimes I would like to hold eye contact, but I take in so much data and it is such an intense experience for me that it feels like I am violating the person I am staring at. I do manage it somewhat ok socially, I have developed a habit of making eye contact, holding it briefly, then looking down to the left as if I am pondering, which is normally true. But anything over a few seconds and it just feels invasive, like it is an extreme intimate act.

I am adept at reading body langage.
I used to read Tarot cards until I realised that I was reading the person not the cards.

I feel that I have really really good people skills (maybe not online idk) because I take in and analise alot of information that not everyone notices.

(appologies I find spelling hard and I am too tired to google check all my spelling!)
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #588

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Get some rest if your tired! hehe, I had a friends mother who would read Tarot, and she is the only one I let read me Tarot, because I am just a skeptical show me the proof sort of guy, though I am very tolerant of other people's views. She told us flat out, that the cards were used to help us collect our thoughts and reflect and not something mystical, I really appreciated that lesson. And for a blind woman she could read us with ease! Wow, sounds like a stereotype right there blind tarot reader. Technically she could see, but her pupils were fixed, so her house was black nothing brighter than a candle flame and she had to wear glasses that most of us could barely see through since she could not shutter her eyes.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #589

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Get some rest if your tired! hehe, I had a friends mother who would read Tarot, and she is the only one I let read me Tarot, because I am just a skeptical show me the proof sort of guy, though I am very tolerant of other people's views. She told us flat out, that the cards were used to help us collect our thoughts and reflect and not something mystical, I really appreciated that lesson. And for a blind woman she could read us with ease! Wow, sounds like a stereotype right there blind tarot reader. Technically she could see, but her pupils were fixed, so her house was black nothing brighter than a candle flame and she had to wear glasses that most of us could barely see through since she could not shutter her eyes.

Thing is, I am often right. Spookily good at bullshitting. I believed it for years and got comfort from it.

I am in hyperfocus mode, side affect of ADD. Once I switch on I will be wired for a full day or two.
I get obsessed. It will pass. Aphantasia is very interesting.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #591

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Yeah ASD....also masters of obsessive interests! I have a lot of faith in my intuition about people, I spent so much time studying, learning, observing, and interacting. I don't always say what I see though, I have found a lot of people recoil from having a mirror held up in front of them. We all tell ourselves little lies to get through life, and sometimes the truth can undercut that fabricated sense of reality and self, resulting in the most extreme cases a full blown existential crisis. It is funny though, you can watch people actively try and reconcile new data that does not mesh with their own subjective understanding of reality. In college I did a series of "scene violations", so intentionally breaking taboos or acting in a noticeable or abnormal way, and with another observer present, you can get data on how people talk amongst themselves and try to rationalize and explain it "has he lost his mind?" "is he just screwing with us?" "I wonder what he was on last night", etc.

We try to fit what we perceive into our existing world view more often than challenging the errors in the world view we already have. It does make people predictable in a fashion...even made an equation of sorts for personal human context, and the more info you can plug into it, the more predictable a person is. The equation is (inherent neurotype + enculturation and learned behaviors + life experience) = personal context. Seems to kinda minimize the whole human experience, but it just makes it manageable as data. Most of the time folks only have the enculturation part to go on, but with careful observation you can get to some of the neurotype pretty easy as well, and then adjust for life experience with a few good questions.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #607

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Excellent question. Personally, l don't have a clue. Can't discuss it with my parents (both gone) and my sister has excellent recall and visualization capability, so l can't claim a genetic link. All l can speculate is that in my own personal case, if l didn't have this condition, l would probably be a miserable s.o.b.
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Why do you think we have Aphantasia?! 3 years 9 months ago #609

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I am sure that there is a genetic component to this but in the long run it will turnout to be more complicated than that because things usually are. For example with autism there is an overlap of 70% with identical twins, 35% with fraternal twins and 19% of siblings. Then when you start thinking about not being able to visualise, or smell, hear of touch internally as well and how there is variability with this. I have been wondering about trying some of the visualisation techniques that people are posting about but then I get worried about succeeding and not being able to switch it back off again.
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julia_11 wrote:
I have been wondering about trying some of the visualisation techniques that people are posting about but then I get worried about succeeding and not being able to switch it back off again.

Oh god. Image a flood of images and noises.
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