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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #278

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I'm having a hard time believing that it's only 2-3% of the population. A lot of people have no idea they have Aphantasia. I know of 5 people so far and I haven't even asked that many. My mom and son , 1 is my step-daughters mom, 2 are Facebook friends. My mom is 69 and had no idea. My 2 friends in Facebook thought I was making it up. One said. Wait people see things in their head. I only see black.

I am convinced genetics plays a role in some instances since it spans 3 generations in my family. I didn't have much time to research where the 2-3% figure came from but it appeared it was from a study in the 1880s by Sir Fransis Galton. Also if genetics plays a role it could be more prevalent in certain ethnic groups. When the study was done in the 1880s was one town surveyed or across all ethnic groups. Back in the 1880s the world was a smaller place. And ethnic groups weren't mixed as they are today. So if it was based on local people the estimate could be flawed. I am going to try to find more on this study when I find some time. If anyone has already researched this please post the findings or a link to the information.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #279

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I thought that Laura, that is why we need to spread word about this website across twitter and facebook to try and get to as many people as possible to further our understanding of this condition.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #280

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Laura wrote:
I'm having a hard time believing that it's only 2-3% of the population. A lot of people have no idea they have Aphantasia.

The world is smaller because of the internet so hopefully we can connect the dots quickly and see the causes and factors.
My dad has it too so I am begining to think it is genetic.



My mind is so blown and I want to stop everyone in the street and ask them can they please close their eyes and picture an apple and ask them do they see an actual apple or are they just aware an apple exits!

My brain is a bowl of noodles right now.
People can remember whole conversations and replay them? If I had known that I would talk so much fucking less :) :P :)
They remember it all!
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #287

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So there are always going to be sampling biases in regards to data such as this. I used the statistic in my video because it goes with the current scientific estimate, but these abilities, especially given a likely heritable genetic nature, are going to vary amongst different populations. For example, one needs to ask if it is more prevalent amongst populations of European descent, versus say Oceanic populations, etc. I don't know, just an tossing it out to ponder. Given the nature of this type of sampling bias though and the small crosscut of the population that has been researched, I would expect the number to grow. Especially if folks in the "fuzzy" category of visualization gravitate and relate better to totally non-visual aphantasiacs, etc. This goes nicely with my theory for identity first education, in the lower grades educators really should be helping children identify their neurotypes, healthy self-knowledge increases self-esteem and a healthy path to self-determination, likewise it allows students to be exposed to neurological difference, to see it not as something foreign or bizarre, but simply a normal part of human difference.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #1581

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Hi Kaura, how old are you children? My sons weren't able to confirm they could visualise until they were about 13 or so. They got really confused with me hounding them with questions.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #1582

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Hi Laura, how old are you children? My sons weren't able to confirm they could visualise until they were about 13 or so. They got really confused with me hounding them with questions.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #1590

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My son is 5 and I think he is the same as me.

Even before aphantasia had its name, I have been observing him and wondering if he was like me.

I asked him a question and his answer made me feel he was the same as me.

What does nanny's face look like?

His answer... "if you are in your house, and they are in their house, you don't know what they look like"

To me that is a slam dunk, other questions I've asked him also make me feel he is the same.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #1591

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monkeymaiden wrote:
Ahhhh Boxxy!
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Still too young to know I reckon.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #1598

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Another question I asked.

"you know your imaginary dragons..."
"yeah"
"can you see them"
"no"
"have you dreamt about them?"
"yes, I have three dragons"
"what do they look like, what colour are they?"
He describes them
"can you see them now?"
"no"
"close your eyes, what do you see?"
"nothing, it is dark"
"think about the dragons"
"ok"
"can you see them like you can when you dream"
"no I can't see them now"
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #1600

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My son is 8 and I'm sure he's like me. I have asked him several different things. I asked him to close his eyes and think of his brothers face. To close his eyes while I read him a story. If he ever sees anything when he closes his eyes. He said it's just black except when he dreams at night.

I asked him more details about when he reads a story. He does read often and he is exactly like me. I can make up scenery and what the characters look like. I know it in my head just like I know all the details of my backyard. I asked him to describe what his imagination had built during the story and he had a detailed vision but just can't see it. He even answered like me when people ask me the same question. How do you know what it looks like if you can't see it? I just know. He 100% understands what I was asking him. My youngest it turning 4 and I think he can see but I'm not 100% sure he understands what I'm asking him. I probably won't be 100% sure for a year or two.
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2-3% ?? 3 years 9 months ago #1607

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I found out my daughter could Sort of 'see' at about 7 years old I can't remember exactly how it came about but we were talking about seeing what we read as she disliked reading. The upshot was it turned out she is synaesthetic and could see it what she was reading was factual but fantasy she could not. Still the same today she's now nearly 17 and can't visualise anything fantasy but if she has knowledge of it then she can see. Unfortunately I think she has supressed the synaesthesia as much as she can she used to be embarrassed about being differnet and has hidden it. none of her friends had good numbers and bad numbers as she called them and her friends did not have good and bad letters. even though she chooses not to discuss or to acknowledge it she will not use certain numbers she searches sim cards when getting a new phone number to avoid them in the number but certain combinations can make bad numbers good but can also be difficult to add a bad number with a good one.
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