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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #228

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I believe that Aphantasia can be genetic. I have seen some others talking about having close relatives that are affected. It spans 3 generations in my family. My mom, myself, and my son all have it. My dad also has very limited visions. It seems genetics plays a roll for some of us. I also wish I knew more
about my ethnic background to see if certain groups are more prone.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #230

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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #258

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spoke to some my family yesterday and turn out my dad can only do a tiny bit of visualisation the rest had no problem.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #290

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I speculated about this on another thread, in my case both my parents seem to visualize, and my siblings do to as far as I can tell (not in contact with my older brother, but he is a music prodigy, perfect pitch, hear something once and replicate it, so I am gonna guess he has substantial ability to manipulate sensory data in his head). But, when things are genetic in origin, you can still have point mutations as well as other factors, such as chemical exposure, etc that could account for some of that. I also contemplated if I might not be a trauma induced one, but my understanding of language development, etc makes this unlikely, as I was speaking sentences just prior to 12 months of age, which is developmentally significant. And I guess that is another good question to ask ourselves, or more likely our parents, do aphantasiacs show early onset verbal skills?
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #304

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I often wonder if I am using the best word as well, I can sometimes get hung up on that, but when you have a lot of words to choose from and then your brain has to sort through all that data for the best one...it may be less of a memory issue and more of a recall issue...food for thought at least.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #332

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*mumbles a reply whilst drooling*

Guess that worked :P
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #365

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My son has it.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #394

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I've checked with my parents and both of them seem almost to have "hyperphantasia". They have extremely strong visual thoughts and memories, smells and sounds. I'm waiting for a chance to discuss it with my brother to see where he is with it all so will hopefully be able to update soon! :)
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #1042

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yep makes sense, skipping generations is not at all abnormal for some genetic traits and may even help narrow the genes associated with this. Hopefully if they identify them they don't try and "cure" it, unless someone wanted that sort of thing, self-determination, accepting difference, blah blah blah hehe
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #1059

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I would consider it too, I just don't don't want folks thinking it benefits society to make us all the same, from an evolutionary stand point that is not such a good idea, genetic difference and even old trash genes could be key to surviving novel events that have yet to occur. But offering it as an option so folks can make their own choice? I can totally back that.

For example, I don't want to be "cured" of my autism, thankfully it is realistically a host of genes and traits. I would most likely only change if able my hyper-tactilism, feeling textures better than most people is a piss poor trade off for feeling more pain. Even sitting in a chair, lying in bed, on a couch, I have to constantly shift to prevent pain from just pressure on my skin, that sucks haha.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #1066

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Aren't we a bunch of lovable egocentrics hahaha
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #1681

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Anecdotally, of course:
My mother is the most extreme visualizer I know.
Her father is aphantasiac like I am.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 8 months ago #1719

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I have always had trouble visualizing and have a lot of anxiety. I have recently been diagnosed with a genetic a problem MTHFR for my anxiety. I have been taking high doses of L-methylfolate and it has been given me more vivid dreams. I would like to know if these two problems are from the same gene.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 7 months ago #1813

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I cannot see in my mind at all but I can see in dreams. My daughter can also not visualize however my son is super visual. He can see images when he thinks about them without even closing his eyes.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 7 months ago #1887

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I have it. I have two older siblings and they both have it. My dad had it. I am not sure of my mom. I have two younger boys that I am not sure. My older son had it.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 6 months ago #1909

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I've asked all 3 of my siblings and my parents as well as several aunts and uncles. All claim they can easily visualize. One of my sisters leans more toward hyperphantasia. So in my family, I'm the anomaly. B)
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 6 months ago #1910

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Both my father and brother can visualize very well but my mother cannot. She didn't know until I told her a month ago that people could actually see things in their minds. It kinda freaked her out. Of course, then she started trying to visualize and supposedly she saw something if she tried really hard. I don't know if I believe her though. She just doesn't like that everything else can do something that she can't. And she doesn't want to talk about it. Though I shall prod her sometime.

Unlike me who has a very poor memory and has a complete lack of autobiographical memory, she does have a great memory. Maybe her being an incomplete aphantasiac accounts for that difference?
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 6 months ago #2014

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Unlike me who has a very poor memory and has a complete lack of autobiographical memory, she does have a great memory. Maybe her being an incomplete aphantasiac accounts for that difference?

Memory is an interesting function, and visual memory can be a powerful tool, but I would be hesitant to clump that as causation in terms of your memory. Likewise, I would recommend asking yourself if it is a memory or a recall issue. One way to think of that difference is whether the information is stored somewhere and you just cannot access it on your own or immediately after a prompt, but say after spending a few days in a certain situation you find you have access to more information than you had before "chipping off the rust" so to speak, if that is the case, the memory is intact, but it is harder to access, may require actual neurons to re-align with the original data, etc and that is more a recall issue. I would speculate that recall issues would be common in aphantasiac's, the strictly verbal method of information storage is likely to be more cluttered and thus take longer to connect back to a memory since words are associated with numerous memories and a visual memory is more specific and more easily cataloged in the brain. So don't sell yourself short quite yet! And if it is memory, there are other factors involved in that as well, and that can be natural genetic variation.

As far as remembering childhood, I expect aphantasia does play a large role in "transience" which is the loss of old data with new, once again being hard to keep verbal memories intact and unsullied vs being able to remember a visual imprint of an experience. Connects back to some of my arguments that aphantasia may be adaptive when it comes to dealing with trauma in one's past.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 6 months ago #2018

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I wonder if I,as an aphantasiac, could be hypnotized.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 6 months ago #2022

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dodonnell wrote:
I wonder if I,as an aphantasiac, could be hypnotized.

I can only imagine. Well not really but it does intrigue me.
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Is Aphantasia genetic? 3 years 6 months ago #2027

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I have undergone hypnotism twice, the most interesting event was attempting to make a group of male college students believe they were pregnant. Talking to the other participants after, they saw themselves as pregnant, distended stomach and everything. For me it was different, I did fall under the sway of the hypnotist, but I never saw any physical indicators, just a felt a weight in my stomach. Best way to describe it is suspension of disbelief, since I did it willingly and voluntarily, my brain though unable to perceive myself in any visual manner as pregnant still choose to accept it as reality. Hypnotism is a tricky thing though, some folks go deep into it, some folks skim the surface (I would consider myself in this category), and some folks just won't succumb to it (unsure if this is true inability, or a psychological profile who cannot relinquish control or trust enough). Anyhow, it is fascinating, the second time I was hypnotized did not involve any visualization, either as part of the process (it was sound based) or part of the treatment (it was to quit smoking, it did not work, actually ended up having a series of meltdowns for about a week after, part of me did not (does not) want to quit it seems).
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